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Will Libertarians And Constitutionalists Re-Elect Obama?

To my Libertarian and Constitutionalist friends and readers I say – don’t delude yourselves – a vote for Virgil Goode or Gary Johnson IS a vote to re-elect Barack Obama, and a vote to give his destructive policies four more years to corrode the soul of this country.

Yesterday, I predicted that if we conservatives worked like our candidates were three points behind, and got every voter who wants to fire Obama to the polls on Election Day, Mitt Romney and the Republicans would win, and win big. (If you missed it you may read yesterday’s column here)

The response I received to my optimism about the results of the election was positive, but a certain percentage of people read the column and said something along the lines of, “The Republicans have let me down too many times, I’m going to vote for former New Mexico Governor Gary Johnson, even if it means re-electing Obama.”

Gary JohnsonVote for Gary Johnson, even if that means handing the election to Barack Obama and leaving control of the Senate to the Democrats?

As the old Louis Armstrong song put it, “That's what the man said.”

Libertarian presidential candidate Gary Johnson and his partisans have even resorted to making “wasting” their vote a rallying cry for the final weeks of the campaign, with Johnson recently saying, “I’m asking everybody here, I’m asking everybody watching this nationwide to waste your vote on me.”

Could Gary Johnson or Constitutional Party candidate Virgil Goode throw the election to Obama?

Consider these facts and then judge for yourself.

In the key swing state of Virginia, former Congressman Virgil Goode, whose popularity in rural Virginia led him to victory running as a conservative Democrat, an Independent and as a Republican, has qualified to be on the ballot as the Constitution Party’s candidate in 29 states. Goode is currently pulling enough votes in Virginia to cause some commentators to speculate he will tip the election Obama's way.

Former Republican Gary Johnson has become the Libertarian Party candidate, despite running in the Republican primary elections and demanding to be included in the televised Republican primary debates.

Johnson will be on the ballot as a Libertarian in at least 47 states, plus the District of Columbia.

In states like Missouri, Indiana and Arizona, where there are close Senate races, Libertarian candidates are pulling votes from solid conservative candidates, like Todd Akin, Richard Mourdock and Jeff Flake, who are locked in races that could determine control of the U.S. Senate.

This is not really a new phenomenon – it has been going on since the 1950s when William F. Buckley, Jr. began arguing that conservatives should take over the Republican Party and others, such as author Ayn Rand, argued for a separate movement.

The good news is that the “Buckley generation” and its inheritors have pushed the GOP, with a few stutters along the way, steadily to the right. Conservatism is now where all the energy is in the Republican Party.

Conservatives have more reason now to be optimistic than they have had in the past 50 years. The rise of the Tea Party, the election of small government constitutional conservative office holders, such as Senators Rand Paul and Mike Lee, and presumably Ted Cruz, mean our agenda will have a new generation of effective and attractive advocates on the national stage, and most importantly, in Congress where they can actually legislate on that agenda.

The bad news is that many libertarians pride themselves on being destroyers, and when they lose a primary or otherwise don’t get their way, rather than cinching-up their belts and selling themselves and their ideas harder, they try to “teach” Republicans a lesson by causing them to lose.

This is a bad way to sell your ideas in the best of times, it is dangerous to the future of the country this election. Four more years of President Obama will take generations to undo – if the economic damage and institutionalization of a culture of dependency can be undone at all.

If you are a freedom-lover and a constitutionalist, don’t waste your vote on Gary Johnson or Virgil Goode. Join the movement to beat Obama, and however grudgingly, cast your vote for Mitt Romney, Paul Ryan, and the Republican candidates for Senate and Congress. There will be plenty of opportunities to advance the cause of constitutional government when Obama is gone, but very few if he stays.

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Popular vote not ready for prime time.

As it currently is, the 11 highest population States collectively have enough Electoral College votes to decide who is President. In all but two States the electoral votes are awarded on a winner take all format.

The other two use the Congressional District Method. Each House of Representatives district decides it vote independently, based on the majority within the district. The other two Electoral votes for the two Senators both go to the overall State majority. States with 3 votes under the current EC would still be winner take all.

If all States used CDM there would be some Electoral votes coming from some States for the party they've long not gone to. For example, Idaho might throw one vote to the Democrat candidate while northern California and eastern Washington and Oregon would likely go for the Republican candidate.

Nationwide CDM would force the candidates to campaign much wider for more Electoral votes.

Why is going to straight popular vote not a good thing? Because southern California and the Texas gulf coast combined with 10 or 12 of the largest cities in the rest of the country would control the Presidency. The candidates wouldn't have to campaign anywhere else. Any state with single digit Electoral votes now could forget ever having the candidates make even a token campaign stop.

Of course given the political makeup of the USA where Democrats congregate in the largest cities, the Democrat candidate would barely have to campaign at all while the Republican would have to campaign in the big cities and everywhere else to get as many votes as possible to counter the DNC's urban base.

Aside from Presidential politics, my opinion is that any metro area of 100,000 or more people should be put inside a legislative wall so they can try all the stupid garbage they want, without inflicting it all on us out where the clean air, farmland and short buildings are.

Why the LP doesn't get anywhere.

It's the news media. With rare exceptions, the media stays dead silent about the Libertarian Party. Most of the time they mention it is when they can find some real nutbar running for public office on the LP ticket.

Silence or ridicule is what you get because 95% or more of everyone working in the news and entertainment media is foursquare for the DNC. Even the people at FOX News are mostly Democrat. Do you *ever* see any reports on TV or in newspapers from an LP party headquarters?

If all the 3rd parties combined got as much media attention as Ralph Nader did the last time he ran on the Green Party ticket, you might get somewhere.

The LP is going to need money, I'm talking George Soros, Ted turner and Bill Gates quantities of money, to either buy their way into or start an all new media empire simply to work around the conspiracy of silence against you by the main stream media.

Publish or perish holds true in politics and those who control the media have determined that the LP is *not* getting publicized.

The Libertarians and other conservative 3rds got Obama reelected

Check the numbers. If all the Libertarian and Constitution party votes in Ohio had gone for Romney, Obama wouldn't have won the State, even if he'd picked up all the communists, the "Green" and "Socialist" parties. I bet it's similar in enough of the other key States to have made the difference.

So thank you, you bleeping fools. Hope we still have a country left four years from now!

Bad Math

Barry has 5 votes,Mitt has 5,Gary has 2.You are suggesting that 5 + 5 = 12 somehow.Those votes were never intended for either candidate.R. and D. might have gleaned a few votes if they had a conservative candidate.Doesn't it make sense to have a conservative candidate during a depression?

No, Mitt Romney will re-elect Obama

If the election goes to Obama, it will not be because of the Libertarians or constitutionalists voting for who they believe in, it will be because Romney was not able to inspire others to vote for him.  His campaign is an amalgam of flip flops, attack ads, financial policies that don't add up, constitution crushing legislation and the prospect of crony capitalism showering massive more benefits on the bankers/military industrial complex. 

In fact, there is a lot of justification for voting 3rd party this year.  Consider the following.  

About 40 of the states are "non-contested'.  They are so strongly polling towards either the GOP or the Dems as to be considered out of play.  If you are in the minority party, voting for one of the GOP/Dem candidates is a wasted vote.  There is no way you can influence the electoral outcome of your state.

Rather than waste your vote for the GOP/Dem candidate, use your voting power to encourage the development of a 3rd party and increase our electoral choices for the future rather than the current duopoly.  Any party that obtains over 5% of the national vote, will receive substantial funding for the next election cycle.

For example, I live in NY.  As a republican, my vote is wasted if I vote for Romney.  He'll never win this overwhelmingly Dem state.  However, if I vote for Gary Johnson, I can significantly affect the prospect of the Libertarian party achieving the 5% threshold, and substantial funding, for the next election.  The same could be said to a lesser degree for Dems in NY.  Obama doesn't need your vote to win here, you can vote your conscience instead (assuming you're voting for Obama as the lesser of two evils and not because you truly love his policies.

Always Vote for Principle

Richard, I've enjoyed reading your newsletter, but you're way off the mark on this one.

Our fundamental power in democracy comes for our freedom to cast our vote for the representative or executive of our choosing. Contrary to popular belief, a "wasted" vote is not one cast for a candidate that is less likely to win, but for one in whom you do not believe. By all means Richard, and others, make your case for Romney being a better candidate than Johnson or Goode or Paul (and electability may be part of that); but please do not fall prey to the fallacy that one must vote for Romney merely because he is the lesser of the two evils that are our establishment anointed plutocrats. If we, as conservatives, surrender our freedom of choice, and simply vote for the Republican nominee regardless of whether or not he conflicts with our principles, we also surrender our power to change and our power to influence.

If you're truly concerned about spoiler effects, the skewing of our democracy, and the limits on the people's control over their parties, I suggest you advocate for election reforms like instant runoff voting or the elimination of the electoral college, rather than trying to scare voters into violating their principles and forsaking their rights.

Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost.
-John Quincy Adams

Jill Stein and Mitt Romney

A vote for Jill Stein is a vote for Mitt Romney.

 

A vote for Mitt Romney is a violation of my conservative beliefs. How can you be a freedom lover and vote for Mitt Romney as he pushed gun control, socialized medicine that inspired Obamacare, supports man-made global warming and cap and trade, and even forced Catholic Hospitals of Massachusetts to adminster abortion pills. Freedom and Mitt Romney don't belong in the same sentence.

I am voting for Gary Johnson.

Gary Johnson

Is Buddy Roemer still available?

You lose EndLoser, Obama and Romney are the same.

 

I could write pages on how Obama and Romney are the same on every major issue, instead I'll just give you a a few good links to what you deserve EndUser. 

MITT AND OBAMA ARE THE SAME, WATCH THIS VIDEO. COMPARE 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lUs17azUFs&feature=youtu.be

http://dougwead.wordpress.com/2012/10/18/how-mitt-romney-cheated-his-way...

If that's not enough EndUser, come back for more. Don't waste your vote on Obama or Romney.

2 questions that must be answered

These are at least two question that Conservatives, Constitutionalist and Libertarians must asked themselves:  

 

1. What's worse:  4 more years of obama or 8 years of romney?

 

2. If romney is elected, will patriots be welcome in either major political party?  (I think the actions taken by the romulans at this years GOP national convention is a strong indicator, also the treatment of conservatives like Todd Akin.)

 

Reagan biographer Craig Shirley said that romneyism is about destroying Reaganism.  A quote that Mr. Viguerie featured prominently on this very web site.  Now he has the nerve to blame the very patriots who have taken much of what he and other stalwart conservatives have said to heart.  Either Mr. Viguerie wasn't being honest then or he is not being honest now.

 

Either way, his finger wagging is no more appealing to me than the romulans who continue to tell me to shut up and vote for romney.

Romney and Obama the same? Absurd!!!

I do not understand how people can say Romney is not really different than Obama. Romney is a mainstream Republican granted, but he is not an outright Fabian Socialist. Tell me how you can look at these things and say that there is no difference.


1. Obama is doing everything he can to support the abortion industry – guaranteeing their continued government cash bonanza (eventho for two years, they somehow can’t account for ½ of their Federal funds, yet somehow have the cash to essentially campaign for Obama).


2. He is doing all he can to champion every initiative of homosexual activists. In his next administration, I do npt doubt that he and his radical secretary of HHS find a way to mandate coverage for sex change operation (eventho John’s Hopkins no longer does them, as NONE of the patients they every performed this tragic surgical procedure on showed any improvement in mental health following). He will also suppress opposition wherever he can, for example, armed services chaplains were threatened with court martial if they spoke out against homosexuals in the armed services or same sex sham marriages. Romney is not very good here, but he’s not going to be doing all he can to destroy true marriage.


3. Appointing Federal and Supreme court judges who have no respect for the constitution they would be sworn to uphold, but either looking to international law and/or their personal beliefs. For example Godwin Lieu thinking that there is a “right to welfare” in the constitution. Elena Kagan, openly wrote that she wants to undermine the US Constitution as it makes it tough to implement socialism. She actually accepted a $20 million grant from a Saudi prince who was seeking to get sharia law accepted here.


4. On islam, Obama is a certifiable muslim appeaser. Bowing to the king of Saudi Arabia, supporting the creation of a “Palestinian state” in Israel, where the initial leadership would come from the renamed PLO, who whould use the land and funding as a base for exporting jihad to the world while the work to destroy Israel. Romney would be a faithful ally of Israel. The last debate was a farse – Obama has never done a thing to stand up for the rights of Christians or jews in Islamic nations, or even nations with a lot of muslims. Think about it – what has he EVER done or said when muslims massacre Christians and burn down churches in Nigeria, Egypt, Sudan, N. Kenya, Iraq. There are hundreds of thousands of Christians in Syria today as they fled persecution in Iraq once sharia law was established. And instead of standing up for free speech/free exercise following muslim protests over the film he tried to use as a scape-goat for the Benghazi outrage, Obama actually said in a speech to the UN ““The future does not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam.” Incredible. Romney would have taken the opportunity to defend free speech/exersize.


I could write pages on this. Huge differences!. We could have had Santorum or Newt running if it were not for all the Ron Paul supporters casting a vote for someone who could not possibly win the nomination.

Same?

obamacare is romneycare 2.0

romney supported cap n trade

romney forced Catholic Hospitals to provide morning after abortion pills against their conscience

romneycare provided for $50 state subsidized abortions

romney supported TARP and Stimulus

romney bragged he is to the left of Ted Kennedy

Mjselker: Good points.

Mjselker:  good points.

Mitt also endorsed the NDAA suppression of Habeas Corpus and the Posse Commitatus Act.

We have all been burned repeatedly by 'moderate," that is, liberal Republicans like Mitt.  In many cases the liberal Republican was worse than the Democrat because he could push the radical agenda with much reduced opposition from the Republicans in Congress or the State Legislature.  After all, we don’t want to oppose “our” President or Governor do we?

For example, Mitt’s father, Michigan Governor George Romney saddled Michigan with a state income tax, increases in the sales tax, and the greatest increase in spending in the state’s history.  His people also actively persecuted movement conservatives like Richard Durant and Robert Huber. 

It is understandable many people would be gun shy about voting for another George W. Bush, George H.W. Bush, Richard Nixon, Nelson Rockefeller, etc., etc., etc.

The question has to be asked and answered: “Would a Romney presidency mean Obama policies without Republican opposition?”

Vote Consumption vs Vote Saving

The ideologically unprincipled GOP establishment premise is that any vote that is not for Romney [fill-in-the-blank for party pick du jour] is for Obama [fill-in-the-blank for the other party pick du jour].


Such logic is similar to Keynesian directed consumption over citizen’s choice of consumption or savings. Such logic is not dissimilar to that used by the Commission on Presidential Debates party/media monopoly in restricting to two the candidates debating so that troublesome ideas and issues can be avoided.


Let me offer that should Romney lose by the margin of votes going to Libertarian Johnson, Constitution Party Goode, or write-ins for Ron Paul, then Romney would lose by that margin. The lesson would be real that the margin of victory would probably be seriously considered in the future in candidates and in who may speak at the Convention. On the other hand, should Romney win without anything more than “Etch-A=Sketch” commitment to constitutional principle or liberty, he would rationalize a mandate for his modern way of campaigning.


We do not have the benefit of proportionate representation. We have fixed terms and winner-take-all elections. If we are to return to the principles of a constitutional republic, the market of ideas has to show the price for candidates who fail. Or, we could work for constitutional amendment for a confidence vote procedure to replace fixed terms.


In individual consumer terms, I’m not buying either Obama or Romney. I’m voting my best interest.

Libertarians and Constitutionalists

Sorry Richard, the neocon Republicans cannot treat the libertarian and constitutionalists wing of their party with the contempt they did over the past year and expect our vote. We see no fundamental difference in Obama and Romney so it really doesn't matter much to us who wins except that we would prefer that the president be a different party than that which controls congress. So if the Republicans are expected to win control of the House and Senate we would be better off with Obama in the White House. At this point saving our country depends on the actions of the states reasserting their sovereignty and interposing between a rogue national government and their citizens. The insults of the establishment against us culminated in a scripted rule change which disenfranchises the grassroots . I think I speak for a multitude when I say the Republican party establishment neocons can take the party and stick it where the sun doesn't shine.

Joe Biden said in the debate: "We did not know!"

I am a constitutionalist due to my desire to see a new conservative party rise in this nation.  Being honest, I've been disappointed by the lack of organizing and campaigning by my Constitution Party.  I understand that they are small, not chock full of cash, not afforded access by the major media, and busy fighting laws that prevent their being on state ballots.  That said, I still think the effort to get into the media was negligible.  Moreover, I think their strategy was flawed.  That said, I still don't know any other group representing my conservative views in pretty much the way I'd like to see them presented.  (I do have a few differences.)


Here's my problem.  I honestly do think that we are choosing this time between a radical rush to the left and a more moderate drift left.  I had almost hoped that the Gloria Allred revelation today had been about the woman Romney purportedly had attempted to dissuade from an abortion.  It would have given me pause about his views on life.  Nonetheless, it appears as if it's a true story, and it has made me rethink this a bit.  Or think about rethinking this.


More appalling to me is Joe Biden.  I've avidly listened to each debate, and I heard Joe Biden say about Benghazi, "WE did not know!"  I remember it.  He said it.  There's no taking it back, walking it back, talking it back.


Now we have emails from within our government that definitively show that they did know.  There is no equivocating.  They knew.


This means that our national leadership in front of the nation looked us in the eye and flat lied to us.  Am I such a political novice that I'm surprised that politicians lie?  Hardly.  But, this is of a different order.  This is not Clinton saying he didn't have sex with "that woman."  This is regarding an attack on our nation that left an Ambassador and three loyal American officials dead.  Their families have been lied to.  The nation has been lied to.


Is this worse than an outrageous debt, a gasping economy, a neo-Marxist agenda?


Yes.


These people cannot continue in office.

Will Libertarians and Constitutionalists Re-elect Obama?

I'm sorry, but the Republican Establishment has been laying that trip on conservatives for my entire lifetime.  In 1968, we had to support Richard Nixon in order to keep the liberal Hubert Humphrey from becoming president.  For our troubles, we got Affirmative Action, the EPA, an end to the gold standard, Bussing for integration, more welfare, and the appointment of the Supreme Court justice who wrote the majority opinion in Roe v. Wade.  In 1988, we had to support Establishment fixture George H.W. Bush in order to keep the liberal Michael Dukakis from becoming president.  We voted for Bush after reading his lips, and he increased our taxes, anyway.  In 2000, we had to support the Next Generation of George Bush in order to keep the liberal Al Gore from becoming president.  For our trouble, we got budget-busting deficits, an unaffordable Medicare prescription drug boondoggle, and the appointment of the Supreme Court justice who upheld Obamacare.


You may remember, Romney created a health care mandate in Taxachusetts that provided the model for Obamacare.  As for Paul Ryan, he supported TARP and all of the other bailouts that have led to the Obama deficits.  Some conservatives they are!


Now, we're supposed to support another RINO hack, in order to keep yet another liberal from staying as president.  NO MORE!  The Republican Party establishment is laughing at us stupid conservatives, because we keep voting in their hacks.  As long as they can count on our votes, they will continue to sabotage real Republicans like Ron Paul and Gary Johnson, in favor of phonies like Romney.  The only way to get their attention is to reject their phony candidates, until they get out of the way and allow conservatives a fair shot at the nomination.


GARY JOHNSON IN 2012!  RON PAUL IN '16!


Frank


 

write ins?

sorry frank ,,,,,,,,you are wasting INK, nobody but nobody has a chance in you know where with a write in,  Either Obama will be our next Pres or Romney, so hold your nose and vote,!   Me, I perfer the next president to be one with Class, Brains, Knowledge, and that is Mitt Romney......... Peace bro

Thanks Frank

I was going to say the same things, only give a longer list of what Romney supported and did to Ron Paul. No, I won't forget what he did to remove Ron Paul and our deligates. Voting against Obama and Romney is no wasted vote in my book. Vote Johnson, and don't let anyone say it's a vote for Obama. We have the numbers not those lying clowns.

I'll just give a list aout Paul Ryan:

Paul Ryan on Bailouts and Government Stimuli

-Voted YES on TARP (2008)

-Voted YES on Economic Stimulus HR 5140 (2008)

-Voted YES on $15B bailout for GM and Chrysler. (Dec 2008)

-Voted YES on $192B additional anti-recession stimulus spending. (Jul 2009)

Paul Ryan on Entitlement Programs

-Voted YES on limited prescription drug benefit for Medicare recipients. (Nov 2003)

-Voted YES on providing $70 million for Section 8 Housing vouchers. (Jun 2006)

-Voted YES on extending unemployment benefits from 39 weeks to 59 weeks. (Oct 2008)

-Voted YES on Head Start Act (2007)

Paul Ryan on Education

Rep. Ryan went along with the Bush Administration in supporting more federal involvement in education. This is contrary to the traditional Republican position, which included support for abolition of the Department of Education and decreasing federal involvement in education.

-Voted YES on No Child Left Behind Act (2001)

Paul Ryan on Civil Liberties

-Voted YES on federalizing rules for driver licenses to hinder terrorists. (Feb 2005)

-Voted YES on making the PATRIOT Act permanent. (Dec 2005)

-Voted YES on allowing electronic surveillance without a warrant. (Sep 2006)

Paul Ryan on War and Intervention Abroad

-Voted YES on authorizing military force in Iraq. (Oct 2002)

-Voted YES on emergency $78B for war in Iraq & Afghanistan. (Apr 2003)

-Voted YES on declaring Iraq part of War on Terror with no exit date. (Jun 2006)

-Voted NO on redeploying US troops out of Iraq starting in 90 days. (May 2007)

Congressman Ryan supports the United Nations, the World Trade Organization, federal bailouts, increased federal involvement in education, unconstitutional and undeclared wars, Medicare Part D (a multi-trillion dollar unfunded liability), stimulus spending, and foreign aid.

Tough is right

I agree that because the Republican Party pushed Romney and gave him the nomination we lost out on a true American patriot on the republican ballot Dr Ron Paul . I am a true old school republican. As is Dr Ron Paul . The Republican Party has lost it's way. It should be changed and called the neo con elitist party and associates. To include Wall Street. Federal reserve thieves and tycoons. That's where the financial backing is and that's who they serve. What happened to the Republican Party that started out ?? Small government free trade limited regulations low taxes ? Why is our government involved in agriculture. Or education. Or homeland security ??? If we got out of these Arab countries and left them alone there would be no need for terrorism. Or homeland security. Or the illegal unconstitutional patriot act. That got slipped in there because of 9/11 !!! Or these illegal and not congressional approved wars. I love a good fight dont get me wrong I am a former marine. Hoo rah !! Semper fi ! But interacting with Iraqis and afghans they hate us because we occupy their country and try to enforce democracy in a country and to a people that just don't want it!!!! Wake up !!!!! If afghans came here to America and tried to enforce their ways on us. With guns and military. We not only would exhaust every effort to demolish them but every gun owning citizen would take up arms and lay his life down to protect this country and our way of life !!! So how are they different from us ? There not ! They are proud and willing to defend what they believe in and their country. No matter if they have some sketchy ways or wrongdoings. So do we. It's life it happens .. If we minded our own business and took care of America first and if a surplus was left over fine. Help others out. Have at it. But to borrow money from china to pay another country for foreign policy. Come on wth is our country doing and if you try and give me one good reason why we should do it you are an idiot. Nobody ever helps us. Not even to send a bus load of people to pick up trash after a hurricane. I'd die for this country and have served its citizens. Even to the point of where you can call me trash. I fought so you can have the right to do that! But I hate my government and what it has become And how it has brainwashed it's citizens into thinking that everything we spend money on is justified. To hell with that I say!!!!!!!!!

Richard, thanks, I fully agree. A warning to the misguided

Richard I sincerely appreciate both your thinking AND your integrity in posting all the negative responses.  Some who have said due to the state they live in, their vote is irrelevant.  And yet if Romney wins the Electoral College and not the popular vote, there will be more incentive to overturn the process.  Those voting for anyone but Romney  in a contested state are essentially choosing to not oppose a candidate that is so determined to do as much evil as he can are doing the same thing some Germans did when they did not oppose Hitler when he was stoppable peacefully.  


I also see a denial or responsibility by the libertarians and other Ron Paul supporters by voting for Paul when it was obvious that he was not “nominatable” and publically tearing down other candidates who could have beaten Romney, you materially helped get Romney the nomination.  And now you don’t want to acknowledge your hand in our having the choices we have today.  So you’re choosing to risk re-electing who is just as committed to do evil and impose his grievous worldview as Adolf was. 


I do grieve that we are faced with a choice between a secular humanist zealot and a Mormon.  I’m an evangelical Christian, a teacher by ministerial gifting (1 Cor .12:29) and an elder at our church.  I know Mormonism is a false cult that actually has much in common with Islam.  In the old testament, we read in multiple places that the people sacrificed their children to the gods of their day, such as Molech.  The demons behind the false gods have not changed, Molech is now called “choice”.  Barach Obama is like King Manasseh (2 Kings 21) in that he is doing all that he can to to uphold and fund sacrificing pre-born (and in some cases just post-birth), which so grieved our Father that he gave Israel and Judah into the hands of empires because of the shedding of innocent blood.   


Obama specifically had Obamacare crafted to evade the Hyde amendment, and while most people don’t know that in addition to making abortifacients contraception available for free, they have also mandated that people can purchase an abortion “rider” for $1.00, despite saying that Obamacare would not fund abortion.  He will do all that he can to destroy real marriage and silence opposition in all forums that he can.


Christians considering voting in a way that fails to oppose Obama are effectively giving their permission for our new Manasseh to continue to advance his abominations, this time with no election to restrain his hand. You would be risking our seeing the cause and effect described in Psalm 106 37-41 in our nation, in our time.  It is time to repent of such cold idealism.  It’s also time for the church to act like Daniel, Nehemiah and Ezra and repent for our nation and what we have tragically allowed to take place on our watch. 

Most Libertarians are Conservative Republicans

But the GOP has taken a hard right turn in the past 12 years. There are 4 registered republicans in our family and we'll all vote for Gary Johnson this election. We cannot tell the difference between Obama and Romney. When true conservative values return, we'll be back. We don't play team sports, we follow the Constitution.

Just as soon see obama reelected

They way I see it our two choices are either the slow boat or the fast lane to see this country decline. Those who have gotten a taste of the government tit are not going to give up what they got. The silent majority isn't pissed off enough to take the time to vote, about 30% of eligible voters will decide who will win.  Might as well get it over with now instead of slowly watching our country rot.  Maybe things will get bad enough while enough people remember how good it was to actually do something about it.

ConservativeHQ Mission Statement

"The online news source for conservatives and Tea Partiers committed to bringing small-government constitutional conservatives to power."


I've been reading this site for quite some time, however just recently registered to comment, as this particular article is too much to go unanswered.  Aside from the condescending title: Either the staff is "committed to bringing small-government constitutional conservatives to power", or they are not.  There is no middle ground, as would be implied by this article.  Those that have paid half-attention, have realized that Romney is just Obama in a different suit.  All the while, the establishment RNC has forced fed Mitt down the throats of conservatives, ignoring the true base's will.


Conservatives will never get a candidate that reflects their views unless and until they make a stand... now is the time, as there is really no core difference between Romney or Obama.


These types of articles (which seem to be increasing), fully contradict the mission statement of this site, as well as insults the integrity and intelligence of it's readers.

Hah...

Hah...we were told to vote for McCain to keep Obama out of office, and four-years later we'd have a real conservative. Now we have Romney. So are we supposed to hold our nose, vote for Romney, and expect a true conservative to come eight years from now? I'll pass. Thanks.

Tough

"a vote for Virgil Goode or Gary Johnson IS a vote to re-elect Barack Obama,"

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You should have thought of that when you rejected Ron Paul.  Now you get to live with the consequences.

Bill Clinton revisited

I want to say to all the Libertatians and Constitutionalists here that are stupidly hardheaded enough to "vote their conscience" and not vote for Mitt Romney that I would remind you of the election of Slick Willie, aka Bill Clinton. Ross Perot, in both the 1992 and 1996 elections, took about 20% of the popular vote. Had he dropped out and all those stubborn voters had voted for Bush (I didn't like him, but he was astoundingly better than Willie), we would not have had a sex offender Liberal running the White House for 8 years. Oh, and all that Willie points with pride to as his "accomplishments" were mostly at the behest of the Republican leadership in the Congress. Ross Perot didn't have a snowball's chance in Hades but stubbornly hung in and skewed the election in favor of Willie. I was overseas (Saudi Arabia in '92 and the UAE in '96) at the time and was continuously asked by European and Far Eastern Ex-Pats how such an obviously ultraliberal idiot was elected President of the United States. I merely pointed out the stooges that voted for Ross Perot.

I am not a Republican, I am an Independant and a realist. I see where Obama is taking this country into a European Socialist style "Big Government" utopia, and I am horrified that anyone would consider voting him another 4 years to seal his agenda. That includes anyone that thinks that by "voting their conscience" they aren't really wastinig their vote. I was prepared to give my life in combat against the Communists in Viet Nam, and now I find that they are running the White House. I don't much care for Romney, much as I didn't care for either Bush, but he is head and shoulders above Obama.

I say to those that might take umbrage to what I say here that if you wish to have your candidate elected, then get out and go to the grass roots everywhere in America and sell your program. Get enough of the American people on your side so your party is a viable alternative rather than a spoiler and you might get some credibility (and traction). In the meantime, please be smart and get behind Romney because you really don't want to live under what Obama unbounded will create in the next 4 years. Your vote DOES count...

Oh yeah?

Then at what point are we ever going to be allowed to ever dig our heels in and DEMAND some real conservatives from the GOP?  

Each and every single time you just roll over and vote GOP, no matter WHO the nominee is, you are telling them that the choice you have been given IS acceptable to you.  The GOP doesn't care why you voted GOP, because they can't see why you did; they only see that you did!

The GOP had their chance to nominate a winning candidate, and they BLEW IT, and in doing so the way they did, did it by pushing away a large portion of their base.  Dues paying, card carrying, time investing, participatory members of their party simply for having the "audacity" to back Ron Paul.  

 The GOP threw this specific election.  If you were that worried about Obama and four more years, you should have backed Ron Paul.  HE WAS THE ONLY CANDIDATE to consistently show the numbers a GOP nominee would need in order to win, and NOBODY ELSE was able to, including Romney. 

Four years of Obama does scare the hell out of me.  But you wanna know what really scares me?  Potentially eight years of nearly identical policies from Romney, having absolutely no opportunity to primary him in 2016, followed by the next horrific Democrat that will follow Romney in 2020.  

Damn it!  STAND UP FOR YOUR PRINCIPLES for once.  STOP ROLLING OVER for once.  I KNOW it is hard, but it IS worth it.   

Poppa NWO Bush vs Perot

STOP it!  I'm fed up with the weak kneed argument that Perot votes elected Bill Clinton.  Pal, you've got it arse backwards!  The fools were the lemmings who voted for George H.W. Bush.  Ross Perot was the principled candidate.  Had the fools voted for Perot instead of Daddy Bush, the #1 neocon NWO advocate in the USA, the republic wouldn't be bankrupt today.   Romney is the white version of Obama.  Those who haven't figured that out have been Hannitized to the max!    Kevan Rowlee

Bill Clinton revisited

Thank you RDW 900, i like what you said and how you led up to it!

They Spoke as One...Now It is Our Turn

I just wrote an article on that very subject! Take a look: 

http://www.bingoforpatriots.com/they-spoke-as-onenow-it-is-our-turn/

Neither Romney or Obama represent my political views.

If you're a fascist neocon into the NWO 'thing' then you've got a choice between the Mormon crony-capitalist Bush clone Romney and the Muslim communist Kenyan Obama.  However, my views don't line up with crony-capitalists, fascists, neocons, communists, the Bushes, NWO, Mormons or Muslims.

On the other hand... excepting for two social issues.. I agree with Gary Johnson the Third Party Libertarian candidate on everything.   That being the case were I to vote for Romney or Obama I'd lack integrity.  Seems to me integrity is exactly what this country is lacking.   Kevan Rowlee

Libertarian Vote

Richard, From the replies to your article it looks like the vote is in. LIbertarians are voting their princples. Anything else is immoral.

Immoral?

Change, my friend, does not always come by being immovable, and an idealist. You apparently have failed to read the last paragraph. If Obama wins, you may never again have a chance to vote your 'conscience.'

I want to vote again

Comment if you don't vote against Obama you may never get another chance to vote.

I went Libertarian several years ago and find they are no more plyable than the other two major parties.  We need more than two,  I only wish the Libs would go for change a bit slower and not immoveable like the others are.  We need ideas not hatred as we seem to be generating all over the country.

vote

I suspect that Romney will win, and that a year from now a few million Republicans will be asking themselves how they could have been so stupid as to nominate and vote for him.


I said from the begining of the Primaries that I would never vote for Romney. I said it then and I say it now. As I have also said from the begining, if the Republicans wanted to win, they should have nominated someone we could all vote for.


I will not now save Republicans from their own stupidity by helping to elect someone like Mitt Romney. It is too late now to save America, because given the choice of Mitt Romney or Barack Obama, there is no lesser of two evils. Electing either one as President for the next four years will result in horrendous harm to our nation.

A vote for Romney is a vote for Obama

As a NJ resident, if I voted for Romney, that'd be a wasted vote. Obama will win in NJ. I'm voting for Johnson, because the Republican Party deserted the founding principles for our country. When the Republicans support a candidate who supports liberty, I'll vote for them. In the meantime, I'll vote for the candidate who best represents me. The only waste on this page, was the actual post.

 

Couldn't we argue that a vote for Romney is a wasted vote? If you really want a better president, then all of the Romney voters should vote for Johnson. It is this group of party tools who are going to hand the election to Obama. A vote for Romney is a vote for Obama. 

Kansas Libertarian

I always vote for the LP Presidential candidate and my state (Kansas) ALWAYS goes for the Repub. candidate.  I am not wasting my vote.  I choose NOT to be an accomplice to a broken system.  Democrats definitely will never reduce the size and intrusiveness of government.  Republicans TALK about reducing government and do the opposite - EVERY TIME!  Which is worse?  The theif who admits it or the theif who lies about it?


 

Stick to Principles

Sorry, but I've been watching this game for a long time now. Trot out the Democratic bogeyman and warn all 'conservatives' they had better line up behind the GOP ticket - or else. But, don't worry, once we get rid of the Democrat, then we can set our sights on true conservative governance.


And I'm sure there's a bridge for sale in Brooklyn, too.


Nothing indicates that Mitt Romney is going to give us serious, true, credible, virtuous governance. Virgil Goode, whatever flaws he has, is more deserving of the presidency.


We aren't going to get want we want until we start voting for what we want. And that means we need to stop settling for the candidates our one party duopoly puts up.

Will Libertarians And Constitutionalists Re-Elect Obama?

Richard, saying that people who don't vote for the disingenious Republican stooge Mitt Romney are responsible for Barak Obama being reelected is as disingenious and cretinous as saying that a person who doesn't buy a cheap beer on Labor Day is responsible for the rotten economy.  You Machevellian Republicans are the one's who are responsible for an Obama Administration by nominating charlatans, liars and cretins to represent your party, then expecting Moral Conservatives to just 'go along with it'.  Unh-uh; ain't gonna work, pally.  Don't blame us Libertarian Conservatives for your lack of moral character and fortitude.  Look in the mirror, and own up to your own failings as the irresponsible and self-indulgent anti-Constitutional people (and sheeple) you are.

Liberty-arian

The GOP should nomintate a candidate next time that believes in Liberty and Investing in America rather than defense against imaginary enemies and real ones that will always hate us.  Bring the troops home.

Romney = Eddie Haskell

 

You're wrong

Pure, unadulterated horse-pucky.

For one thing, such a statement leads one to believe we live in a pure democracy. I remind you that it is the electoral college that determines who becomes President, not the popular vote. So, for example, living in California, which is solidly in the Obama camp, I can vote for Romney, Johnson, Goode, or no one and it will make not the slightest bit of difference. Therefore, I can quite easily vote my conscience and beliefs and vote for Goode.

But even if I lived in Ohio or another swing state, it would not matter. This is just the same, stupid scare tactic that is thrown at us every presidential election. I can assure you that the Democrats are using the same argument to try to intimitdate their side to vote Obama and not the Green or Peace & Freedom party candidate.

The trouble is, they listen to the far left side - the Greens and Communists - the GOP does not listen to us, the staunch conservatives. Maybe if MORE of us voted for Johnson or Goode, the stupid mainline Republican party would begin to get the message. And if that means four more years of Obama, well, who's fault is that? I say it is the GOP's for choosing Romney over Paul, the RINO over the true conservative.

You are 100% right.

Unless or until we are willing to cost a major party an election, they will continue to ignore us.  They will NEVER go back to their conservative roots.  They will NEVER re-evaluate what went wrong for them, and how to correct it.  

The big government Rockefellers of the GOP undercut Goldwater, and threw the election back to Johnson.  Part of their motivation was they felt in four years they'd have a really good shot at getting one of their own in 1968, while a Goldwater victory would likely leave them shut out until at least 1972, if not longer.  For them, it worked.  Granted, they weren't all that upset with Johnson's overreach in office, because they were similar ideologically, but the point does remain valid.  They weren't going to join forces, nobody could make them, and they were willing to punt an election in order to get acceptable candidates to them nominated.  I'd say it worked for them.  Nixon, Ford, Bush, Dole, Bush, and McCain have all followed that election as GOP nominees, and each and every one of them can trace their ideologies to the Rockefeller wing.  Only Reagan was anything close to an exception to this, and even he wasn't as hostile to their ideology as they had initially feared.  

Well, seeing what that class of Republicans has done to the party, I guess now it's OUR TURN to dig in.  "The most important election of our ever" is an argument I have heard each and every single year since 1984 (I was 7), and here we are again.  Seriously.  Eight elections in a row have been the "most important election" ever? 

If these elections are so important, why are we reduced to voting AGAINST Candidate A, instead of being given a reason to vote FOR candidate B?  

Dig in, stalemate the government in Washington, keep Romney from destroying the GOP and it's name even further (by not letting him have the wheel to begin with), watch the Democrats and their big government, progressive philosophies abosrb the blame for the downturn, and re-emerge in CONTROL of the GOP.  And not only that, have the public more interested in true free market, small government philosophies going forward, starting with the 2014 mid-terms.  

Think long-term strategy.  Then WIN! 

"Think long-term strategy.

"Think long-term strategy.  Then WIN!"

What happens if your long term runs out before 2016? There's such a thing as running out the clock too long. I'd much rather have had Cain or Gingrich to vote for. By "punishing" the GOP by enough LP and CP voters in Ohio and other close States not voting for Romney, you've punished US, the citizens with four more years of Obama!

An Obama administration, unrestrained by any need to hold back on his agenda in order to get re-elected, it's going to be the worst we've ever seen.

Unless America Start Voting for the best

Unless America starts voting for the best then America will never become the best ever again. It is the voting against a candidate out of fear that got us into this mess and only by voting our faith in the candidate we believe will be best for America will we find our way out of it and neither Obama nor Romney will do what it takes to make us free, and great again.  NDAA, FICA, FED, Ballance the budget NOW, etc

Why it's NOT us re-electing Obama, Richard.

Richard, 

Here's the main problems with this argument by you and the Romney "supporters" on this issue:

1.  That any votes that go to Johnson, Goode, or are written in for Ron Paul are "owed" to the GOP, because the GOP "owns" them. 

2.  That all votes for any of these three would have gone to Romney had Johnson or Goode not been on the ballot in the first place.

3.  That our votes only have value if they are cast for a "winner," or potential "winner."  

Look.  Any and even EVERY person voting third party/write-in has already conceded the fact Obama IS that bad.  Each and every one of them want Obama GONE!  But considering all of the things that Romney and Preibus did to the Paul supporters in the primary/caucus cycle, how can ANYONE expect Paul supporters then to just roll over for Romney now?  Richard, if YOU and YOUR side, and YOUR preferred candidate had been marginalized, lied about, ignored, you would be screaming from the rooftops.  Now add in the fact that NOT ONLY did these things happen to Paul and his supporters, but add in the violence, wrongful arrests, not following the agreed to rules specifically for the purpose of shutting us out, cheating, secrecy, and other debauchery, and we're supposed to just "go along to get along?"  Would you just be in the mood to do this had it happened to you and your candidate?  Honestly?  

During the first half, we were specifically told by the RNC and Romney they didn't care about what we brought to the table.  They didn't want us, or need us, and were willing to pull out each and every single stop they could think of to prove this point to us.  WHY should we help someone who told us all along we were unnecessary?  Go home to your wife, and tell her for the next six months how unnecessary she is, and see what happens?  I bet she isn't all that interested in sticking around "for the good of the team."  Same applies.  

Now, the GOP has to reap what it has sewn.  It became necessary to punish the GOP and more specifically Romney and the RNC BEACAUSE of their conduct.  We weren't important then, so why are we important now?  And don't give me this "Obama the America-hating Muslim Marxist" crap, either.  Because Romney's record and rhetoric look WAY TOO MUCH like Obama's, so we don't even have THAT as a motivation to get on board the Romney bandwagon, either.  

You wanna sell off your principles for NOTHING in return, that's fine.  I'm not going to tell you that you can't, although you shouldn't have.  However, in return, don't expect us to just fall in line with everything that has happened to us, coupled with Romney's horrific platform to boot.  

Let Obama "win" the White House.  Focus on keeping the House in GOP hands (likely), and trying to get control of the Senate (difficult, but NOT impossible).  We're probably willing to help you there.  Focus on shoring up your numbers at state and local levels.  We're even more likely to help you there.  We just cannot help you on this one.  We're "unnecessary" according to Romney and Preibus, remember?  

Vote "Right" in blue states

I agree with Viguerie that we should tow the line by not voting for LP or Constitutionalist nominees, but only in the swing states. Here in Maryland--the "Free State" sic, I intend to vote my principles in the hope some message will get thru to the establishment that I do not appreciate the GOP putting up severely compromised candidates. Romney's liberal track record in Massachusetts is only masked by Obama's marxist track record. Dubyah's record as Texas governor was no where as bad as Romney's and look how bad the "Herbert Hoover II" administration was to conservative advancement.

NOT correct

Over 30% of Democrats are NOT crazy about Obama because he is a war candidate and they are for PEACE. Governor Johnson is a Peace candidate and


a vote for him will be a vote for Romney.  Besides, Johnson is the only candidate who is serious about blanaced budgets, eliminating income and corporate taxes. And he is a proven creator of great jobs both as an Entreprepreneur and NM Governor where more new jobs were created in his 8 years than in any other State. It's a


NO BRAINER!!!


 


Doug


 

Never have had a vote that counted for someone else!!

How does clicking on Gary Johnson place a vote for Romney?   I've never seen this done, ever, please give a link on this process.