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The Conservative Case for a Gary Johnson Third-Party Run



"Lots of Libertarians would be happy to see Gary Johnson seek the nomination and he would certainly be a top, if not the top, contender... I have seen plenty of Libertarians comment that Gary Johnson takes positions that are balanced in a good way and appeal to both liberals and conservatives."

- Wes Benedict, Executive Director of the Libertarian Party

Gary Johnson has been shut out, turned down, and ignored for nearly his entire campaign for the GOP presidential nomination. At least that was the case until he started talking about a possible run as the Libertarian Party’s presidential nominee in 2012. Now, it appears he has the Republican Establishment’s attention.

Johnson’s potential run has importance beyond that of its impact on the Republican Party’s chances to unseat President Barack Obama. Should the GOP nominate a candidate like Mitt Romney, who has low approval ratings among the conservative grassroots, Johnson could become a vital chess piece for the Tea Party to finally checkmate the Republican Establishment.

Third parties have historically played an important role in American democracy. However, in the 1960s, Republicans and Democrats grew wise to the deadly influence of third parties, and passed legislation that made getting third-party candidates on the ballot incredibly expensive and burdensome. With these restrictions, a system that intentionally blocked competitors from participating in the democratic process was created, and the checks on the corruption of political parties were eliminated. 

It was the existence of strong third parties that allowed disloyal political factions to fail, and other parties to rise. “In the 19th century, when new or third parties were very strong, the voters replaced one of the two major parties on three occasions,” says Richard Winger, editor of Ballot Access News and an expert on ballot access laws. “The Federalists were replaced in the 1820s by the National Republican Party (the party that ran John Quincy Adams for President in 1828 and Henry Clay in 1832). The National Republican Party was in turn replaced by the Whig Party, and the Whigs were replaced by the Republican Party in 1854.”

“Without the third-party bridges,” says Winger, “the party-in-power might never be defeated, a situation that could lead to stagnation and tyranny.”

It is in this spirit of checking corruption among the ruling class that conservatives and Tea Partiers should take keen interest in Johnson’s run -- not for what it could do to strengthen third parties, but for what it could do to weaken the grip that the Republican Establishment has on the GOP. 

The reason the Republican establishment has been able to dictate the direction of the GOP for so many years is because the conservative grassroots has been unable to unseat them from their Ivory Tower. The Tea Party, and its foundation in the belief that the GOP should return to its limited government roots, is a byproduct of a growing discontent with the direction of the party at the hands of liberal Republican leadership.

In 2010, the Tea Party showed the Republican Establishment just how powerful it was. They knocked-out RINO candidates in the primaries, and elected an impressive class of Tea Party-backed candidates into office. However, the lessons of 2010 seem to have faded, and Republican leaders are back to their old tricks. 

What will it take to get them to listen to the grassroots? Nothing short of removing the power they’ve used to stay at the top.

That is where Johnson comes in. His mass appeal, especially to fiscal conservatives who feel betrayed by the Republican leadership’s wishy-washy stance on spending cuts, has the potential to siphon votes away from a moderate Republican presidential candidate like Romney. In a political environment where the conservative grassroots base has more allegiance to message than party (as seen in the 2011 Virginia election), a third-party candidate like Johnson, with a strong conservative message on spending, could be doomsday for a content-free Republican candidate. 

This is what has the Republican establishment abuzz -- especially since they were the ones who forced Johnson into this position.

Should Johnson run as a Libertarian, the only way to neutralize his campaign would be to nominate a fiscally conservative equal like Ron Paul, or have Paul as a Vice Presidential candidate. However, Paul is no favorite to the establishment, and has been boxed-out of the nomination process nearly as much as Johnson (although Paul was allowed to appear on stage at the debates). 

Without question, third-party candidacies -- even Johnson’s -- will likely never have much of a chance to win outright as long as ballot access laws inhibit the ability of third parties to participate equally in the democratic process. However, this is not to say that strong third-party bids are without purpose, and can’t be used as weapons to effect positive change within the major two parties. While Johnson’s third-party bid may be a long-shot electorally, its potential to weaken -- if not destroy -- the Republican establishment is much more real.  

Support of Johnson would not even have to be an endorsement of the Libertarian Party, or of third parties in general. It could simply be a wake-up call to the Republican establishment that their time has come, and that conservatives are no longer satisfied with candidates simply because they have an “R” next to their names. 

This is why conservatives should not readily dismiss Johnson as a third-party candidate. 

There comes a point when enough is enough, and even the specter of another Obama term is more tolerable than another decade (or more) of Republican establishment rule. It’s because of this rule that Obama was elected in the first place, and as long as liberal Republican leadership continues to set the direction and messaging of the party, the next “Obama” is always right around the corner. 

Will it take a Johnson spoiler to force a change in leadership? Hopefully not, but eventually something has to give. The status quo is no longer an option for Republicans.

Editor's Note: Andrew Davis is a volunteer for the Gary Johnson 2012 presidential campaign, and is the former Director of Communications for the national Libertarian Party. He also served as the Deputy Press Secretary for the Bob Barr 2008 presidential campaign. 

Third Parties are Treasonous

 

There has never been a good 3rd Party in American history. This Libertarian Libel is a total historical fabrication. What they say happened, never happened. There have always been two parties in this country as that is what our Constitution provides for with its provision that all Federal elections must be winner take all. In that kind of system a 3rd Party is a bad joke. Europeans with their destructive unstable proportional representation systems which produced Hitler, Mussolini, and Stalin is the happy hunting ground of 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th Parties. No matter the good Cato ideas they have, the actual functioning Libertarian Party is Criminally Insane. 

It is a veritable veiled attack on the Constitution itself, and a perversion of the intent of the Founders. Yes, our two parties have changed their names from time to time, and that is OK, and they have sometimes realigned themselves. But these name changes and realignments WERE NOT Third Party movements by any stretch of the imagination.

Jefferson did not form a Third Party, he created formally a Second Party which already infomally existed. The Whigs were simply a renamed Federalist Party, and the Republican Party was simply a reorganized Whig Party, which disappeared in short order. Study the history of all this in detail as I have done and this storyline become apparent. 

All other Thirds in our history were horrifying train wrecks, and all of them damaged the Conservative Cause. TR was the worst of the lot, and with his insane Bull Moose Party he destroyed the Republican party putting the Nazi-KKK Democrat Wilson in the White House. The whole affair fatally damaged TRs respect in this nation, and was his greatest mistake and a blot on his name forever. 

Ross Perot put Clinton in the WH, and the list of damage by 3rds is enormous. And in the end they even fatally damage their own causes. Anyone who would support even the idea of a 3rd is outside the pale and NOT a serious Conservative, or even a serious American. Read history my friends, and stop being taken in by ego-maniacs who are at heart destroyers of everything we hold dear. 

FounderChurch@Gmail.Com

If Ron Paul is not the GOP's nominee

If Ron Paul is not the GOP's nominee... let's say the choice in 2012 was between Democrats Obama & Hillary, Republicans Romney & Bachmann or Libertarians Ron Paul & Bob Barr... Which ticket would you vote?

Now let's say the choice in 2012 is between Democrats Hillary & Alec Baldwin/Sean Penn, Gingrich & Cain or Libertarians Gary Johnson & Chuck Baldwin...  Which ticket would you vote?

What it boils down to is this.  Democrats are commies... Republicans are fascists... and Libertarians are Jeffersonians.  When you look at it like it really is the choice is easy.

Make it so--if Ron Paul is not nominated.

I think Ron Paul can win the Republican nomination, but if he does not, then I would love to have Gary Johnson as an alternative (KY makes it difficult to write in a candidate, so instead of writing in Ron Paul, I could just vote for Gary Johnson).  It is time to put the "Republic" back into the Republican Party (even if it means voting Libertarian Party to do so).  The Republican party will not win the Presidency again until they pick someone who respects our Constitutional Republic.  Empire is evil.

Perfect Planning

This plays right into Ron Paul's hand. If the Republicans are stupid enough to nominate Mitt, Newt , or Cain. Then they will have to deal with Gary Johnson as a third party. I have all the confidence that Mr. Johnson would not run third party if Ron Paul got the nomination. Hell, he could be who Ron Paul is thinking for a running mate. So it's an engenious way for an ultimatum, Vote Ron Paul or Lose to Obama. Take your pick.

3rd Party

If Obama gets to pick one more Supreme Court Justice, he checkmates the Constitution. This is NOT the time to let a democrat win just to block a less than perfect republican.

 

The Tea party can do better by helping to get a SC that respects the Constitution.

Gary Johnson

If we were to have a third party, it should be someone other than Johnson.  He is not the one!!!   .....and a third party would only insure Obama another term.

3rd party ...

You know very well that if Johnson runs in a 3rd party, he has the chance of killing the election of any Republican (conservative or not) who is elected in the primary to run against OBAMA. If Obama is re-elected for another 4 years, there will be no more United States of America as we know it. I surely wouldn't want to be the man/woman who because they were treated badly by the Republican establishment, caused the ruin of the U.S.A. He then might just as well move out of the country because where ever he goes ... not one American who actually loves this country will have anything to do with him. A second term for Obama will mean a Socialist/Communist U.S.A. Obama will stop at nothing and every citizen of the U.S. should understand that before they vote! This vote in 2012 is the most important vote since the Counstitution was written and George Washington was elected. GOD HELP US!

No Longer Voting For the Lesser of Two Evils

Sorry, but there is little difference between Obamney, Gingrich, et al. It is time you woke up to that fact. The Republic may well be at stake; the problem is that you Neo-Cons are a big part of the problem.

name calling

The problem is naive people like you that know all the name calling, but are clueless about core philiosophy.

The political definition of a conservative is someone that strongly adheres to the form of government In a dictatorship, that is a bad thing. In a free society that is a good thing. What is it that you hate about people that support our Constitution and freedoms?

Andrew Davis

Thank you for a thoughtful and accurate article. I know Gary Johnson and I think he may be the best man to run for the office of President since Jefferson. And yes, I thought long and hard before coming to that conclusion. He will get my vote on any ballot. With regard to the idea that I should not support a third party because it divides votes, I can't help but notice my vote is one among many million. 


I will vote for the best candidate knowing my vote means almost nothing in the total votes cast. But my vote means everything to me as a principled person. And in the past, if others had voted for the best man running the unprincipled candidates we are faced with today would not be before us. We would have a strong third party that would keep the other parties principled now.


If the Republican Party fails to get Gary Johnson on stage to debate the others I will follow him to the Libertarian Party.


erne lewis at ernelewis dot com

No Third Party unless it is from the Left.

The purist Right is going to kill our chances again as they did with Perot, if either Gary or Ron run a 3rd Party. Please. The real enemy is the socialist Obama and his dolts in the Dem Senate and House as his allies for redistribution and Big Govt. This cry against the GOP candidates is always the same. The Stupid Party always kills its own and this is just another attempt with so called good motives. Unless Obama is defeated, nothing will happen. Newt is not a RINO. Who knows about Mitt but the others are not either. Stop this baloney and vote out all the Dem socialists and give conservative solutions a chance to win. This site should know better.

No Third Party unless it is from the Left???

The Establishment is going to kill our chances again as they did with McCain if either Newt or Mitt are the candidate. Please. The real enemy is the both parties and Big Govt. This cry against the non-Establishment candidates is always the same.  Newt is not a conservative.

Newt is not a RINO

I have come to the same conclusion based on the actions of the majority of Republicans in Congress. With their unwillingness to seriously cut spending and reduce the size and scope of the federal government, Newt is certainly not a Republican in name only. And just like them, he is also no conservative. Obama has threatened to veto yesterdays "bipartisan" Senate vote to authorize the U.S. Military to take action against U.S. Citizens on U.S. soil and hold them indefinetly without charges. How ironic that we now have to look for President Obama to defend the Constitution against McCain, Graham and the rest of these power mad statists that want to declare our homes part of the battleground in undeclared wars that have no end. If the Republican Party believes that Conservatives will vote for another McCain because we need to oust Obama, they are in for a shock when they get the same results as in 2008. If you want conservative votes, I suggest nominating conservative candidates.  

Newt the RINO

Newt maybe used to be conservative, but he got over it.  Al Sharpton, Nancy Pelosi, immigration, global warming, green?????  He is not the most conservative candidate.  He is not my candidate.

 An Obama win means the end

 An Obama win means the end of the USA as we know it. He is a marxist hellbent on destroying us. SO, anyone  suggesting a third party candidate to split the Republican/ Conservative/Libertarian vote should be shot at high noon. 

THINK About How Idiotic You Sound

and just what Party, besides the Dems, has refused to investigate Obama's credentials for office which could have completely derailed his Presidency before he even took office???   So, please tell us who really should be "SHOT AT HIGH NOON"???   Now, go drink some more of your fermented Grand Ol' Propaganda Kool-Aid!

Libertarians

Then maybe the republican party should start paying attention to libertarian principles.  Without the libertarians republicans wont win. The republican party social conservative wing has taken over the republican party and that as why obama will win not because we voted our conscious!   Doing like you suggest facilitates the status quo.  

Establishment wing, not social conservatives

Mitt Romney is not a social conservative. McCain wasn't really either. Nor, for that matter, was GW Bush. It's the Republican establishment - the old Rockefeller wing of the GOP - that runs the show, not social conservatives. The Republican party is made up of the establishment wing that controls the party, the social conservatives who provide the votes as long as the establishment folks pay lip service to their positions, and the economic conservatives (Tea Party folks) who get stuck voting for the lesser of two evils or staying home.

Curious

 

I am curious, are you suggesting that Conservatives and Libertarians are obligated to support any Republican nominee or once again risk the end of the republic?

curious

absolutely not but the person commenting above i think does. 

Curious

My post was directed to Daniel, who posted above.

A vote for Johnson is NOT a vote for Obama!!!!!

A vote for Johnson or a third party is a vote of conscious not a vote for Obama.  If the republican party doesnt want to loose votes than they should practice more fiscal conservativism and less social conservatism so they don't loose the fiscal conservative socially tolerant vote.  It is the social conservatism that is ripping the republican party apart and that is where the fault lies.  Not a Johnson voter.   Claiming that a vote for a third party is the same as giving a vote to Obama, self limits our choice and allows the republicans to continue their status quo.  Arguing against a third party, is the same thing as limiting us to the choice between two satans, and I refuse to vote for satan!

Gary Johnson

Oh, but it is!!!!!!!

A third party run wil almost

A third party run wil almost assure obam of another term, why are you not running as a republican like you were a couple months ago? You are now in my book either an idiot, or a liberal in disguise, either way you will NOT be getting my vote.

Third party

Have you lost your mind?  Don't you remember good old Ross Perot who gave us Bill Clinton, for crying out loud??? No third party, please.  Whoever becomes the Repub. candidate will get my vote because we absolutely must get BO out of the WH or this country is doomed.  Even if he or she is even partially conservative it will be better than what we have now.

I Remember Ross Perot

He was the only sane candidate who knew what the Wall Street Whores, the GOP and Dems, had in store for the Middle Class when he spoke prophetically of "the giant sucking sound of American jobs going overseas.   Both parties supported NAFTA, WTO, GATT, CAFTA and now just about  damn near any FTA the Executive branch throws out there like KFTA lately.  Then, these two parties have the unmitigated gall to say they can bring our jobs back when they have both given them all away to please their Wall Street masters.   Yes, I remember Ross Perot actually in the lead over both Clinton and Bush Sr before he left the race prematurely.  He had the Establishment running scared for their life.   I remember Ross Perot.   He wasn't a Wall Street Establishment whore; he was an American patriot who really gave a damn about America and the middle class unlike the scum of the Earth we have in DC today.   23,000,000 lost jobs later, I still remember Ross Perot, and I will never forget him.  Now, in our vast economic wasteland with epidemic unemployment, Ron Paul is the only candidate who understands the lesson Ross Perot taught us in 1992 about the destruction of our economy at the hands of the GOP and the Dems.  


Those of you brainwashed GOP Kool-Aid guzzling idiots out there need to understand one thing critically at America's 11th hour.  So many of you believe that you can take back the GOP by putting up "Conservatives" in the GOP primaries.   Well, let's look at the most recent results of that flawed proposition.  The TEA Party movement was completely co-opted by the GOP, which in turn has already been co-opted themselves by the Democrats.   Nonetheless, 90 TEA Party candidates were elected.   Of those 90 alleged TEA Partiers, ONLY 22 opposed the Debt Debacle.  68 betrayed all of you no matter how much they convinced you they were the real deal.  These guys were GOP "plants" all along because in a mere 7 months they backed down from everything they stood for and promised you.  Did your votes realy make a difference in changing the GOP???  Did the GOP try to put up a Conservative Speaker and Minority Leader in the Senate after 90 TEA Partiers made a resounding political statement from the American People???  No, they chose two well-established CFR globalist Socialist RINO's who both had already voted for Bush's 700 billion dollar TARP Theft just like McShamnesty and Obamination.  The fix was already in even before the 2010 election.   If the TEA Party had gone Third Party all along and completely divorced itself from the GOP, the RINO's in the GOP Establishment would have only had 150 Representatives, the TEA Party Third Party would have had 90 Representatives, and the Democrats would have the Majority at 195.   This would have forced the Moderate RINO GOP to negotiate with the TEA Party for the Speakership and to pass more Conservative legislation to have effective opposition against the Democrats instead of "deals" to do absolutely nothing.   Instead, the legitimate TEA Partiers were pushed to the back of the bus and the GOP one-term TEA Party "plants" voted the party line against their fooled constituencies.   They'll be rewarded after they're thrown out with a nice job on K-Street like they all get for sticking it to the American People.  The GOP has done nothing ever since the election to even resemble a "Conservative" Party or much less a "Constitutionalist" Party.  The GOP is a "joke" on the The American People, and the punch line is way below the belt.  


These same GOP "plants" who infiltrated the TEA Party have successfully played all of you GOP Kool-AId guzzling fools when they convinced you that Third Parties are not the way to go.    They knew you were gullible enough to believe this lie that would completely neuter the TEA Party movement.   What do you think now of the wasted TEA Party opportunity???   We will NEVER clean out the People's House until we start a new politicial paradigm with a Third Party that represents the Constitution, fiscal sanity, and the American People instead of the fascist, globalist, amoral son-of-a-bitches and banksters on Wall Street.   The subpoenae and investigations might take decades, but they'll never take place otherwise.  

Third Party?

Have you lost your mind?  Don't you remember good old John McCain who gave us Obama, for crying out loud??? No Rockefeller Establishment party, please.  Whoever becomes the Repub. candidate will not get my vote (unless he IS Libertarian)  because we absolutely must get rid of both parties or this country is doomed.  

3rd Party Run

Absolutely ridiculous!  Are you trying to give Obama another term?  This seems more about YOU rather than getting Obama out of office and resurecting our country.

Why Help Re-elect Obama?

Unless it is a slam-dunk that the present office holder is not re-electable (and at this point it is not, much to my distress) then such a third party candidacy is unacceptably risky. Gary's Third Party candidacy will NOT draw votes of any Democrat-leaning voters. It WILL (unfortunately) draw some votes from those who would otherwise vote Republican -- perhaps just enough to result in yet another four years of the present regime. The way to build a Third Party is from the bottom up -- start locally and build -- that will enable a rational way to measure the Third Party's actual strength with people who really do vote, instead of guesses by political pundits.

Insane

This is an insanely destructive idea.

Gary Johnson ... commentary

It's easy to despise Obama so much that we'll vote for garbage in order to get rid of him.  HOWEVER ... Romney and Gingrich (and most of the others) are just recycled BS from the past ... both may be preferable to Obama ... BUT, still undesirable to ME.  I can vote for Paul or Johnson or perhaps they should run as a team.  The rest are just evil, "business as usual", corrupt slimeballs.

Third Party Run

This article is correct.  Traditionally until the later part of last century, third parties did shake up and sometimes bring about the fall of major parties.  Then like said, the existing Republican and Democratic parties took measures that made successful third party runs almost impossible.  To add to that, major media began a form of censorship and any candidate that didn't belong to either of the two major parties got little or no coverage, with major coverage going to the Democratic party.  During the past three decades the only somewhat strong third party that has survived (just barely) is the Libertarian.


But there is one consideration not addressed.  Ross Perot and his American Party drew enough supporters from the Republican Party to hand the election to Bill Clinton.  This scenario could play out with Obama if a strong third party candidate emerges.  Yes, it would finish off the Republican party establishment, but could also be the end of the American Republic..... 


Also, John McCain is an example.  Most in Arizona don't appear to support him, but he always has several opposing candidates who split the undecided, conservative, and independent voters among themselves.  Then he waltzes in with a solid minority block of votes and wins....basically by default.


 

No Third Party

Look,

Here in NH, we've done our best to give Gary Johnson face time, debate time, and interviews. He remains an asterisk.

Taking his toys and throwing a tantrum does not help. Stealing conservative/libertarian votes and re-electing Obama is worse than staying out.

We like Gary, but done is done.

Gary,Gary ,Gary

                                                                                              The difference between Gary Johnson and Ron Paul is that Ron has support.I like Gary's ideas except soft immigration.That is a No! vote for me.Newt lost it there too(not that he had a chance).How could you compare the two in one sentence as equal,or suggest that Ron Paul would stoop to the level of running as vice President to this watered down twerp.

Crock of Crap

If continue to pursue this kind of approach you will insure that Obama is re-elected. Forget it! 3rd party candidates do nothing but skew elections.

it's not enough

With resentment for the two parties in power its highest level in decades and with that discontent likely to increase over the next year we have the greatest opportunity to begin restoring our Republic that we have seen in generations. With very powerful government, corporate, financial, and media interests driving public opinion we can only capitalize on this combined distrust of all of these groups if we are united, work hard, and get very lucky with our message getting out there and catching on at the right time. While I am a fan of Gary Johnson and could have supported him as the Republican nominee, any split among liberty candidate support will make taking advantage of this historic opportunity an impossible task. There are simply not enough of us to split this vote and divide our efforts. Whether it be as the Republican candidate, which in itself would signify an epic shift, or as a third party/independent run, Ron Paul is the only candidate that has the momentum building that could pull this off.

While I expect that a Ron Paul nomination by the Republicans would launch an independent run by another establishment candidate under the guise of a populist unity movement, I also expect a rise in support that would win the nomination would also be enough to fend of two mainstream candidates. It is a third party or independent run that will challenge us to be a successful movement instead of self serving idealogues. To be successful, an independent run will all of the Conservative and Libertarian parties to support the Ron Paul bid with their nominations and ballot spots. We will likely never see a better opportunity to make the difference that we have been seeking for years and turning our backs on uniting behind this opportunity in the name of territorial differences will doom us to the political fringe.

My proposal tests our resolve, but with resolve it is simple. First, we should continue to support Ron Paul for the Republican nomination. His message is gaining momentum and even without the nomination a few early primary successes can be the platform for launching an independent run. The next part is the most difficult, but the Conservative and Libertarian minded parties must hold off their nominating process and nominate Ron Paul. Ron Paul is a candidate we can all support and at this point he is the candidate with the best chance of winning that we have seen in generations.

There is room for different opinions here, but as a supporter of third party candidates since my first votes were cast thirty five years ago I put one question to you. Do we go to battle in 2012 as several small parties with several good honest candidates that we know would be better Presidents than we have or do we go with one candidate, Ron Paul, that with a unified effort and some luck gives us the best chance we may ever get.   

I think we should throw them all out and start over

First it is obvious to the most causual observer that the Obama administration is dead set on destroying the country that I love and fought to defend. Along with that the Democratic party has become a liers club, where anything goes as long as they do not have to take responsibility for the outcome.

Second The Republican Party  most of the people running for office as Republicans, whether that be for president, representatives, or senators, in my view are plants from the democratic party. First they are Democrat then they change to Republican then if the wind shifts they become a third party candiate. When will My Americans wake up to the fact that until we get people into office that are there to do the people's business not just cut another notch in their belts and blow more of the tax payer money, you will have no change. How long has Ron Paul been in the Senate - what has he done to change washington as a whole - answer is nothing. Look at Micheal Bachman - she has been in the house what has she truely done to change washington nothing. Look at Newt when he was in office did he try to reform washington (supposedly) but the results turned out the same in the end. For that matter look at what the Rebulican controlled congress (both senate and house) and the president from a few years back - what did they do to change washington - nothing.

Look at what we had when we had a full Democrat congress and Democrat president - what was done to change washington - nothing ( they could not even pass a budget for the love of might.

The only difference between the Democrats and the Republican parties is the symbols, they both want more spending, they both do not want to take responsibility for their actions, they both have their own agenda not the peoples agenda, they both grow the government by taxing us the tax payers more, they both let their cronies sit in positions that effect us all and are accountable to no one.

If I had my way we would recall every senator / representative to the districts that they represent, and when they arrive they would be handed a terminiation notice and an election would be held for that position within 30 days - who needs over a year to get their message out as they say. If corporate america worked that way any third world country would be ahead of us. Second from the look and feel of the candidates that are now in the running - it is time to make a few manditory changes in candidates for office. 1) if they are lawyers going in - then they must give up their law practice before they can get on the ballet for the position. 2) If they are found to have funneled money through the government to their cronies, they get tried immediately for fraud. 3) a People selected panel should be sent to washington d.c. that is elected by the general citizen public vote, and that group of people have one mission in life, to look at every piece of legislation on the books, if it is vague, unclear, is not within the bounds of federal government control, if it in any way is in contradiction to the REPUBLIC of the United State Constitution, or if the law is not being enforce - then all those are immediately invalidated and are taken off the books. 4) any new law that is enacted must meet a three step rule a) the law is necessary to protect the Citizens of the Republic of the United States b) situation requiring the law because it can not be administrered and controled by the states at the state level c) the law must make the Republic of the United States better for it's Citizens. if for any reason the existing or new law does not meet these three criteria then the law is void and it is prohibited from becoming law. 5) any law that effects the citizens of the Republic of the United States as to Life, liberty, financial well being, property, or constitutional rights - must have a public vote of the Citizens of the Republic of the United States and it must have passed with 70% or more of the votes or it can not become law.

For election purposes, Companies, Corporations, Groups defined by not for profit, etc are not elgible to donate to any election fund for a candidate to President, Sentor or Representative - this is clearly a violation because these entities are not Republic of the United States Citizens which is the criteria set down by law to vote. And even on the surface of this it is clear that these organizations are contributing as a means to gain favor for themselves over others and the conpetition which is against federal law. Note: this includes the DNC and the RNC. if the candidates need money for election they should have to come direct to the public for it, if they don't received enough to wage a campaign then it is pretty obvious that they are not the peoples candidate.

I think we should throw them all out and start over

First it is obvious to the most causual observer that the Obama administration is dead set on destroying the country that I love and fought to defend. Along with that the Democratic party has become a liers club, where anything goes as long as they do not have to take responsibility for the outcome.

Second The Republican Party  most of the people running for office as Republicans, whether that be for president, representatives, or senators, in my view are plants from the democratic party. First they are Democrat then they change to Republican then if the wind shifts they become a third party candiate. When will My Americans wake up to the fact that until we get people into office that are there to do the people's business not just cut another notch in their belts and blow more of the tax payer money, you will have no change. How long has Ron Paul been in the Senate - what has he done to change washington as a whole - answer is nothing. Look at Micheal Bachman - she has been in the house what has she truely done to change washington nothing. Look at Newt when he was in office did he try to reform washington (supposedly) but the results turned out the same in the end. For that matter look at what the Rebulican controlled congress (both senate and house) and the president from a few years back - what did they do to change washington - nothing.

Look at what we had when we had a full Democrat congress and Democrat president - what was done to change washington - nothing ( they could not even pass a budget for the love of might.

The only difference between the Democrats and the Republican parties is the symbols, they both want more spending, they both do not want to take responsibility for their actions, they both have their own agenda not the peoples agenda, they both grow the government by taxing us the tax payers more, they both let their cronies sit in positions that effect us all and are accountable to no one.

If I had my way we would recall every senator / representative to the districts that they represent, and when they arrive they would be handed a terminiation notice and an election would be held for that position within 30 days - who needs over a year to get their message out as they say. If corporate america worked that way any third world country would be ahead of us. Second from the look and feel of the candidates that are now in the running - it is time to make a few manditory changes in candidates for office. 1) if they are lawyers going in - then they must give up their law practice before they can get on the ballet for the position. 2) If they are found to have funneled money through the government to their cronies, they get tried immediately for fraud. 3) a People selected panel should be sent to washington d.c. that is elected by the general citizen public vote, and that group of people have one mission in life, to look at every piece of legislation on the books, if it is vague, unclear, is not within the bounds of federal government control, if it in any way is in contradiction to the REPUBLIC of the United State Constitution, or if the law is not being enforce - then all those are immediately invalidated and are taken off the books. 4) any new law that is enacted must meet a three step rule a) the law is necessary to protect the Citizens of the Republic of the United States b) situation requiring the law because it can not be administrered and controled by the states at the state level c) the law must make the Republic of the United States better for it's Citizens. if for any reason the existing or new law does not meet these three criteria then the law is void and it is prohibited from becoming law. 5) any law that effects the citizens of the Republic of the United States as to Life, liberty, financial well being, property, or constitutional rights - must have a public vote of the Citizens of the Republic of the United States and it must have passed with 70% or more of the votes or it can not become law.

For election purposes, Companies, Corporations, Groups defined by not for profit, etc are not elgible to donate to any election fund for a candidate to President, Sentor or Representative - this is clearly a violation because these entities are not Republic of the United States Citizens which is the criteria set down by law to vote. And even on the surface of this it is clear that these organizations are contributing as a means to gain favor for themselves over others and the conpetition which is against federal law. Note: this includes the DNC and the RNC. if the candidates need money for election they should have to come direct to the public for it, if they don't received enough to wage a campaign then it is pretty obvious that they are not the peoples candidate.

It's obvious we need to nominate Ron Paul...

Ron Paul supporters are never going to support any of the other candidates, so not nominating Ron Paul will almost certainly guarantee a victory for Obama.  For any Republicans who have issue with some of Ron Paul's positions, I can only say that the GOP gave us lame duck John McCain in 2008, and that got us Obama, so they have no leg to stand on saying that we should all "vote the party line".  If you put up a good candidate, then I will vote for them.  If you don't, then I'm writing in Ron Paul.  In 2008 I held my nose and voted for McCain - now it's the establishment's turn to hold their nose and vote for Ron Paul, who is the only one who can defeat Obama.

I could see RP supporters

I could see RP supporters jumping on the Gary Johnson bandwagon since 98% of their principals are the same. I'd be most interested in a Paul/Johnson ticket in the GOP, though I think that Romney at the very least will try to get enough delegates to steal the election. It seems less and less likely that any one candidate will receive enough delegates to become the nominee. It seems Romney is on the list for 25% of the vote, leaving two other candidates with 35-40% each.